Texting and Driving #2: Bull Fiction

Fred’s dead, baby.

Fred’s dead.

  • Bruce Willis, Pulp Fiction

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Oliver Maroney:

This Bulls pod… I disagree with those NBALead.com guys a lot.

The Prophet:

Hah – on what?

Anything about what I had to say?

Oliver Maroney:

The idea that they need to “blow it up” if they want to contend.

Also, I’m not a huge fan of Pau’s game: I don’t know if keeping him is the best option.

Not your points, though.  It was mostly their points.  I understood where they were coming from, I just thought they were off base.  Your thoughts were fine – I agreed with them for the most part

The Prophet:

Let’s be real: my points are better than just ‘fine.’

You have to admit that they’re right about the current management: they do need to ‘blow it up’ – hopefully that means management rather than roster, but if you don’t pull that off, you’d need to do both I suppose.

Management is definitely holding them back.

Oliver Maroney:

Well, the roster doesn’t fit Coach Hoidberg’s system, but I think you can tweak it rather than dismantle it.

That’s all I’m saying

The Prophet:

I love Pau in an Enes Kanter role – he definitely can’t start though.

The high volume big man in the not-small-ball lineup off the bench would be good to see in the Hoidberg system.  I don’t know if he has the coaching chops to pull that off though, honestly.  He didn’t this season, that’s for sure.

Oliver Maroney:

Hahaha. Of course. But if you ask me, it’s actually less of a management and more of just a personnel fit problem. Rose and Butler can play on same team: they’d just need mobile, stretch bigs, and 3-and-D wings.  Immobile bigs like Pau and Noah don’t fit into that offensive system.

It’s run-and-gun: in order to pull it off, they need bigs that can stretch and hit threes.  Like, Portis and Mirotic are decent fits going forward

Also, management may be an issue, but I don’t think it’s preventing them from being good.

The Prophet:

Okay so I really disagree, but not in principle

Yes you need to space the floor, but the real estate of a court with a mid-range drive to the basket scorer, like Jimmy, and a top of the 3 pt line guard, like Derrick Rose, necessitates a rim roller somewhere; Otherwise there’s just congestion in the middle as opposed to the paint.  Drives get impeded by floating defenders rather than those who are protecting the paint

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So Nikola Mirotic is a huuuuuuge part of what they’re doing going forward.

Oliver Maroney:

Yes: Mirotic is underrated and undervalued.

The Prophet:

And Jimmy has to play the 3 – that’s very important.  Whoever’s playing the two has to be a long-range shooter.  Has to be.

Preferably a Bradley Beal type who can be a secondary/tertiary ball-handler.

Oliver Maroney:

See: I agree. I think Jimmy should be a 3 with Rose at the 2; but I think they do work together if you have the right pieces around them.

So, I think we do agree in principle.

The Prophet:

Then at the 5, someone like a Tyson Chandler or something.

Tyson Chandler then.

not Tyson Chandler right now

Oliver Maroney:

Yeah lol

The Prophet:

So who do you look for if you’re the bulls then?  I brought up Biyombo on the podcast, then for 2, I just i don’t know.  That type of Bradley Beal player is just so rare.

Actually, taking into account both sides of the court, Avery Bradley would be a better fit than Beal; but anyways.

Oliver Maroney:

Ed Davis would’ve been good.

The Prophet:

I dunno… I can’t imagine a lineup on any team that I would want Ed Davis starting.  I mean, he’s the most talented big on the Blazers, but Stotts brings him off the bench – I think that says something about his skill set

Oliver Maroney:

JV wouldn’t be awful

The Prophet:

JV meaning Jonas Valunciunas?

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For a rim roller, they can just throw a 4 year max at Dwight Howard, then put Rondo next to Rose. 

Boom.  Everything is fixed

Oliver Maroney:

Yep.

Done. What a team

Dwight might actually be good…

And, yeah, I meant Jonas Valunciunas.

Maybe Brook Lopez?

Maybe Festus?

There’s a lot of bigs that could fit.

The Prophet:

JV just signed a long contract with toronto though.

Dwight needs good coaching going forward or he’s finished.  Just look at what’s happened to him this season under Bernie Bickerstaff:

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Oliver Maroney:

Maybe Brook Lopez?

Offensively Lopez is one of the best centers in the league. Can’t play D.

But the Bulls could make for it on wing: also, just out-scoring opponent works.

Al Horford would be nice compromise.

The Prophet:

I don’t like Horford next to Butler at all: they take up similar space on the floor.  

The Bulls would have to put really weird and specific pieces to put around the two of them to make that a functional offense.  I don’t think that’s a smart way of building a team.

For example – imagine, spacing wise, if you put Jimmy Butler into the Hawks offense instead of Kyle Korver.

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No bueno

Oliver Maroney:

Yeah…but Horford fits in virtually everywhere.

The Prophet:

I’m saying that for players like Jimmy to thrive, you want to clear out open space to create.  I don’t think that Horford could capitalize off of, say, a double team on jimmy – just slide the other big over and the play gets shut down most of the time.

 Here’s an example – Vucevik and Oladipo on the Magic.  Remember how much of a shit-show that starting lineup was before they changed rotations to fit Fournier next to Vucevik instead?

Oliver Maroney:

Sure. But I don’t know if Jimmy does as much of that at 3

The Prophet:

Fair point, yeah.

It’s a lot easier.

He has a really good free throw rate and he can probably use his 1-on-1 game against 3s more effectively.

Oliver Maroney:

Jimmy was an efficient shooter, think he’d be more of a catch and shoot guy. Not saying fully, but I think it improves at 3.

The Prophet:

But then you run into a coaching problem.

That would be perfect for a coach like pop (Kawaii/Aldridge vs. Jimmy/Horford) but in Hoidberg’s system I think that gunks things up in transition and necessitates play calling to make sure that the two of them – presuming they are your primary scorers – don’t screw up with each others offensive games.

Play-calling centric offense and Hoidberg don’t go hand  in hand.

Oliver Maroney:

Hoidberg needed this year to figure things out.  I think he can be much better with time.

The Prophet:

  I think Hoidberg is a crap NBA coach, man.

Oliver Maroney:

I’m a big believer in having coach stay for at least three years. Or else you aren’t giving him a fair shot. This team isn’t that great, I’m going to be honest. Not saying Thibs would’ve done worse, just that Hoiburg needs his own picking before getting a fair shot

This team does not currently fit his mentality or coaching style at all.

The Prophet:

if u keep hoidberg, u trade butler.  butler is anathema to hoidberg offense

he should be able to use talent effectively even though its not the hoidberg way or whatever. His mentality should be flexible – that’s the mark of a good coach.  i think that coaches like hoidberg are fundamentally flawed.  he’s like the small ball equivalent of randy whitman with traditional lineups

Oliver Maroney:

Sure…he should be able to adapt. You’re right. I just am one who believes in giving time, allowing coach to have some say and create the team

The Prophet:

I think that a lot of the time teams are hasty with their coach firings, but hoidberg to me just has every single red flag for me to decide within 1 season that he shouldn’t be an NBA coach.  good college coach though – u know, like collangelo

he has his system and he squishes his new players into that and the continuity is necessary when players cycle in and out so much

Oliver Maroney:

Eh…..give him at least another season

The Prophet:

But then bullshit like this happens.

Oliver Maroney:

He hasn’t even had a full offseason to evaluate the roster and make changes.

The Prophet:

It might be a moot point because Gar Forman is a trashcan and the new gm might want his own guy.

Oliver Maroney:

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Hey, what’re you gonna do?

 

 

the prophet